WNBA Open Thread: Four NBA TV Games Kick Off with Two Projected Eastern Conference Playoff Matchups
by Jessica Lantz on Sep 11, 2011 12:16 PM EDT
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PrintAs the regular season comes to a close, 10 of the league's 12 teams are in action – with games including a pair of potential Eastern Conference playoff matchups, Liberty vs. Sun and Dream vs. Fever. With four games on NBA TV, there is plenty of time and opportunity to take in your favorite to win the 2011 WNBA Championship.
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New York at Connecticut 1 p.m. ET | NBA TV | LiveAccess |
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Atlanta at Indiana 5 p.m. ET | NBA TV | LiveAccess |
Minnesota at Phoenix 6 p.m. ET | LiveAccess |
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San Antonio at Tulsa 7 p.m. ET | NBA TV | LiveAccess |
Chicago at Seattle 9 p.m. ET | NBA TV | LiveAccess |
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Let's go, Liberty!
Let’s secure home court!
Um, if we win this despite our longstanding inability to beat Conn at their home & then Atl do us the favor of beating Indy.
Piece of cake.
I’m sure you’re not alone in that sentiment ::looks around for your cheering partners Shannon & Queenie::
oh… and wonders what fun times Queenie must be having at the casino today – her trips to Connecticut always seem to come with most excellent stories!
by Jessica Lantz on Sep 11, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmpf...
Neither team can win on the road so I am almost certain that who ever wins home court, wins the series.
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by Holly C. Tanneyhill on Sep 11, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree a thousand per cent
Which is why I want home court so bad. :-)
You know who wins on the road in the east? Atlanta.
bus 1516 sends love from Central Park
almost home and epic trip was epic. what happens at Foxwoods stays at Foxwoods.
I am the victim of a basketball jones.
15-10
A quarter of miserable shooting from the Liberty. Looks like Cappie’s ankle is still bothering her. Friday night she turned it again & was grimacing as she ran up the court. :-(
I have seen Rugby matches...
less physical.
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by Holly C. Tanneyhill on Sep 11, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions
But I'm sure...
…you expected nothing less!
by Jessica Lantz on Sep 11, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
33-26 NYL
I tuned in at exactly the right time: Leilani Mitchell finding that three point touch!
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And Leilani
With the insane banking 3! Woot!
That was some kind of run!
Wow...
Cappie shoves Mike Thibault on the sidelines. It might have been unintentional, but I need video. Her momentum was not the much.
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by Holly C. Tanneyhill on Sep 11, 2011 2:09 PM EDT reply actions
Also...for the record...
Scheduling the final day of the season on the same day of NFL Kickoff on 9/11 is inconvenient to say the least.
WNBA scheduling is tough, but I’d rather a rough early season game compete with the NBA Playoffs than anything try to compete with the NFL.
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by Nate Parham on Sep 11, 2011 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i have lost a lot of interest in the wnba now
that mystics season is over…. oh well. Good luck to the eastern teams today……..
by thewiz06 on Sep 11, 2011 2:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Makes sense
But maybe with no NBA this year we can draw upon all that Terrapin exposure to keep you engaged for college season.
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The Terrapins are gonna suck this year
without Jordan Williams who declared for school a year too early. Now he’s just gonna Haynesworth himself
I feel for you
The Mystics are such a talented team even with Beard injured. Why they fired their excellent coach I will never understand.
They were definitely a better team with Currie on the floor in those few games.
I think there’s reason for optimism next season and it will be a more fair evaluation of Lacey.
*frantically searches for real wood to knock on *
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assuming the team does the right thing and let her stay as head coach...
as for GM, well, I think they need someone else with more clout.
All those baldies
Needed to do was get better haircuts. Sheesh. (Rubbish NBATV ads are rubbish.)
by JustineL on Sep 11, 2011 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
This game is painful to watch...
Renee Montgomery is out of control and Eric Brewton and Daryl Humphreys are blind for both teams.
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by Holly C. Tanneyhill on Sep 11, 2011 3:04 PM EDT reply actions
"Renee Montgomery is out of control"
High risk, high reward player…
It’s always been like that in the W it seems. Same in college?
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Yeah...
Her coaches love her. It drives me nuts. She plays awful for 3 quarters than you lok up she has 10 points, 4 assists.
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by Holly C. Tanneyhill on Sep 11, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
A Michigan - Notre Dame Type Finish???
It’s getting loud.
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by Holly C. Tanneyhill on Sep 11, 2011 3:06 PM EDT reply actions
Still playing in my head
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQs2usCVMYU
And unless Cappie Pondexter dunks to win it, nothing can be more blissful. ;)
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by Nate Parham on Sep 11, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
65-63 1:09 left
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by Holly C. Tanneyhill on Sep 11, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
TAN WHITE!
Just stole Cappie Pondexter’s lunch and ate it while sitting on top of her.
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by Holly C. Tanneyhill on Sep 11, 2011 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Final: Connecticut Sun 69 New York Liberty 63
Charles 18 points, 11 rebounds, Asjha Jones 17 points, 11 rebounds Montgomery 10 points, 4 assists.
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by Holly C. Tanneyhill on Sep 11, 2011 3:16 PM EDT reply actions
Well the Skins season just started against the Giants on the somber 10 year anniversary of 9/11
Rex is 0-4 throwing, and so is Eli…..
Not surprised our offense will suck bad this year, but the Giants should cakewalk over the skins even with a depleted defense.
Hey! This is a WNBA thread
Take your gridiron talk elsewhere! :-)
How about the Serena – Samantha finals at the US Open? Drama plus. C’mon both of you!
Well the Redskins are surprising me so far, but I'm not drinking Dan's Kool Aid
Kerrigan intercepted a pass for a TD.
Stosur got it, 6-2, 6-3,
Sorry, hit the wrong thing.
Stosur won, amidst much Serena-versus-the-umpire-generated drama:
http://projects.nytimes.com/live-dashboard/us-open-tennis/womens-final?ref=sports
Williams was lethargic, and Sam kept her cool.
So.
- I guess I thought I lived in New England still because I thought this game was at 7 CT, not 7 ET. Glad I got here ‘early’ for interviews I hoped to conduct (that of course, I can’t do anymore since I missed the media window).
- I had so shell out $3.50 for a bottle of water because there’s nothing but about 5 pepsi’s available for media.
- My assigned seat involves a very huge ass printer which makes it so I can’t even sit in my seat. We’ve pushed down so one leg can be under the table & I can reach my keyboard.
But hey.
At least I figured out that an * in front of a line will make a bullet in the thread. That’s nifty.
by Jessica Lantz on Sep 11, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Starters from Tulsa:
For the Silver Stars -
G Scholanda Robinson, G Danielle Robinson, G Jia Perkins, F Sophia Young, C Ruth Riley (maybe we can beat this lineup??)
For the Shock -
G Andrea Riley, G Amber Holt, F Sheryl Swoopes, F Jennifer Lacy, C Tiffany Jackson
Officials -
Roy Gulbeyan, Tony Dawkins, Angelica Suffren
Make sure you wave...
I’m watching you instead of football. You have 1 quarter to make me as bug of a fan as you are.
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by Holly C. Tanneyhill on Sep 11, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If you see
Press row…I’m 4 from the Tulsa bench…
by Jessica Lantz on Sep 11, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow... Someone needs to be fired...
Not even close. I don;t even know which point to refute first. Personality or Skill Set.
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by Holly C. Tanneyhill on Sep 11, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ironically...
if there was actually resemblance people probably wouldn’t be talking about Angel 4 MVP because she wouldn’t be a big enough scorer.
I think there are times when people need to accept a player’s uniqueness, especially in a young league with increasingly talent. McCoughtry occupies her own space in the league and we should probably leave it at that.
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Debbie Antonelli
starred at NC State and will be going back for the Kay Yow golf tournament tomorrow that raises money for cancer research. 5th year of the tournament.
Hot start for D Rob
She got lots of cheers and there’s a good amount of Crimson in the stands tonight…
Wow I can't believe it!!!
Redskins are gonna beat the Giants!
WE ARE GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL!!!! 19-0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!
HAIL VICTORY!
BRAVES ON THE WARPATHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
FIGHT!
FOR OLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLD
D-CEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And, go TULSA!
I'm an Oklahoma State Cowboys fan!
You mean pro football? I’m pretty much a Dallas non-fan, always have been (but I do love Dez & Dan Bailey, but only for the college allegiances). My pro teams are the Broncos & the Pats – which makes the MNF double-header extra super fun!
by Jessica Lantz on Sep 12, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
What are you talking about fool?
The road to the Super Bowl goes through Candlestick Park and Ted Ginn!!!
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Let's go Seahawks...
bleh…
It was Phoenix then, and it's Phoenix now. Storm, you know what you gotta do!
Um wow.
Lots of early fouls. Lots and lots and lots (ok really only 4 in the first 5 minutes, but it seems like lots.)
I think Jimmer three is a bit of a stretch
But she has a really good outside game.
by Jessica Lantz on Sep 11, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree on the steal part...
Put if I am a GM and saw her in her body and in person, I would still pass. How many of her points are from the trail 3 because she can’t make it up the floor and people forget she’s out there?
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by Holly C. Tanneyhill on Sep 11, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
true
next year, adams will prob have to play inside more because no one is gonna be fooled about her outside j.
That's what I've noticed even as she's come back from injury
The scout is catching up to her and she’s starting to force threes.
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SASS 19, Tulsa 16 - 2:20, 1st quarter
No one is defending Adams on the perimeter as she has two triples now…
SASS 25, Tulsa 22 - end of the 1st
For the Silver Stars, it’s the rookie showcase – D Rob with 9 points, 3 assists; D Adams with 6 points (all from triples)
OH!
And I forgot to mention it, but Betty Lennox is here – her first appearance with the team since the concussion. She’s looking like a G with some sunglasses.
Who is that
Ta’Shia Phillips? She might end up being a bust even though her name was up there with the potential early first round picks.
She's 6'6"
and was trying to get an opportunity to dunk on the team that drafted her and though she was a piece of crap
I think
Her nickname growing up was Big Bird… somewhere I saw/heard that. (or my mind just completely made it up.)
by Jessica Lantz on Sep 11, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't hold with that
There’s nothing Beige about Lizzie!
It's still cute.
Career high for Lizzie tonight! Stosur did it!
it would be a great end game for her in a crap season : )
by Almost there on Sep 11, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed
Though she has good numbers for a rookie.
she actually has great numbers for a rookie
and she is either 2 or 1 in most categories in a crap team with crap to no coaching.
by Almost there on Sep 11, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
SilverStars announcer Andrew Monaco
has given Edwards props several times with respect to her positivity. And yet, we hear she has only a small circle of players that meet her favor.
I am unfond of how
She likes to diss players in interviews.
She might have that boss problem.
The type of boss that was a very good worker and when they become boss they still think of themselves as the best worker since time began and look for how their workers aren’t as good as them.
Tulsa 34, SASS 33 - 5:37, 2nd quarter
A strong move in the post by “Big Bage” gives the Shock the lead and forces Hughes to take a timeout….she has 8 points on 3-of-4 shooting, TJack also with 8 points and 3 boards.
Since the end of the first quarter, we haven’t seen the Danielle’s, but D Rob still leads the Silver Stars scoring…Tulsa on a 8-0 run
Haha...
The announcer says that Cambage needs to work her emotional outbursts. I said something similar after a game in Connecticut and Jess didn’t like it. ;-) (P.S. I originally
got that Richardson but where is he now?)
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by Holly C. Tanneyhill on Sep 11, 2011 7:49 PM EDT reply actions
I love Lizzies passion if she was a vet no one would say anything
by Almost there on Sep 11, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
oh and in case you wondered I am a huge fan
and feel very sad for her introduction to the league the W should be ashamed! Imagine if the chosen one had turned up in Tulsa – the W would have closed the fanchise down!
by Almost there on Sep 11, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I am with you
Huge fan. Have been following her for a few years now & she just gets better & better.
she will dominate this league
and she will find a way
by Almost there on Sep 11, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
haha or just coaching?
I am pretty sure that could help. I know she didnt think she was coming to play jungle ball.
by Almost there on Sep 11, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
well
i’ve heard that some of the ownership group is leaning heavily towards keeping edwards at the moment. so, be prepared (just in case).
by Jessica Lantz on Sep 11, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
haha thats pretty funny
Big isnt a word i would use on Box or Cameron
by Almost there on Sep 11, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
well
i’ve heard that some of the ownership group is leaning heavily towards keeping edwards at the moment. so, be prepared (just in case)
by Jessica Lantz on Sep 11, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
what a joke
i knew they were dumb but that would be insane
by Almost there on Sep 11, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
If they go with Edwards, they had better get a good
assistant coach – maybe McConnell-Miller fits that bill. Because the Shock will likely struggle again next year and people will be calling for the coach’s head again.
She acts like
A teenager. Which she was until a few weeks ago. Yes, she needs to learn to keep it in check. But I don’t think it’s some awful problem or something…
by Jessica Lantz on Sep 11, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Diana Taurasi & Angel M
Behave like that all the time!
Someone needed to post the Diana/Sue captioned pic here.
by Shannon Cotterell on Sep 12, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
your wish is my command
Just because UConn fans don’t think she is whining doesn’t mean other fellow players don’t think she is whining.
Either way, Diana is a star player and she’s going to get her fair share of situations going in her favor.
by thewiz06 on Sep 12, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
maybe she is also sick of being hacked all day
and getting nothing!
by Almost there on Sep 11, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Hughes has an excellent eye
For rookies. He sure picked ’em this year.
I am sorry this happened against the Shock.
And I’m sorry for Jessica that the Sooner beat the ’Poke.
But…I am also sorry I didn’t get to watch the game live and spam the thread with pictures of DRob zooming. :D Because:
Danielle Robinson is still faster than you. All. Of. You.
by Shannon Cotterell on Sep 12, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Not in the 1st half before
Their previous high was 45 (three times)… They did get 57 in the second half of the SASS game in San Antonio on June 4th
by Jessica Lantz on Sep 11, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you!
Here’s hoping that it means the third quarter will go well. :-)
okay, I have a new favorite
because if Danielle Robinson comes with the VJ Seal of Approval, she has friends in New York.
I am the victim of a basketball jones.
Tulsa 52, SASS 51 - Halftime
D Rob with 20 points, 4 assists to lead both categories for the Silver Stars. Roneeka Hodges has 9, all from three point land.
For the Shock, TJack with 12 points, four rebounds and her only shooting blemish is one missed free throw…. as was already noted, SASS shooting 66.7% to Tulsa’s 58.5%… both teams turning it over a smidge (9 for SASS, 8 for Shock)
As long as the Tulsa on top part stays as such, she can have em. :P
by Jessica Lantz on Sep 11, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure thing
DRob can have 40 & Lizzie can have 50 plus 20 rebounds & 12 blocks.
It is Australia day, right?
I mean Stosur won the US open!
You’re right. My ORANGE blood runs DEEP!
by Jessica Lantz on Sep 11, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I am really scared of Minnesota.
It was Phoenix then, and it's Phoenix now. Storm, you know what you gotta do!
Also, thanks Fox Sports Arizona, for lying to me about the game today.
It was Phoenix then, and it's Phoenix now. Storm, you know what you gotta do!
As well you should be.
I am interested to see how the Storm do against them with LJ…
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IF we make it that far...
Phoenix won’t go quietly.
It was Phoenix then, and it's Phoenix now. Storm, you know what you gotta do!
Agreed.
But I’m even more confident about the Storm’s ability to beat them this year than I was last year in the WCF (I wasn’t that confident in the WCF and Bird’s big shots justified my concern).
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Seattle are rock solid
With home court. And Phoenix have been very erratic this year. My money’s on Phoenix.
I hate not being able to edit
Someone fix it!!!
You know, I think part of the logic is about trolls
If people can say something nasty and then just change it real time, it only stokes the flames of frustration.
We’re just better than everyone else so we don’t need that here! :)
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thanks JustineL
With your support, we can’t lose!
It was Phoenix then, and it's Phoenix now. Storm, you know what you gotta do!
I support whichever team
Has the most Aussies. :-)
Becky Hammon sitting out this last game.
Sue Wicks said “Let your horses run” with respect to end of season playing time. But of course, Hammon is no thoroughbred race horse.
Ah!
I just got back in time for the Quarter of Productivity; I’ve wondered why the commentators have spent half their time praising B.H.—glad it’s not because she’s injured or has a nasty disease.
And, in a last-minute tribute, all praise AGL for her three 3-pointers!
You cant stop that!
If only they had let her post up all season
Lizzie C
With the first points of the 2nd half. Then a Swoopes three, then a Holt steal & bucket…. Tulsa looks motivated. Let’s see if this momentum lasts!
Tulsa 59, SASS 51
This Swoopes player is pretty good.
If she can stay in the shape she’s been lately, she’ll have a long career.
How old is she again? ;)
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FORTY!!! DID YOU KNOW SWOOPES IS FORTY!?!?!?!
OMG SO IS TAJ!!
OMG SO IS TULLY!!!!!!
WORLD. MIGHT. END.
;)
by Shannon Cotterell on Sep 12, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
So Diana gets the shooting crown
To me that rules Angel out as MVP.
By WNBA media standards, yes.
We should just bar Catchings from future eligibiity.
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Only shooting matters
Haven’t you been paying attention?
But, yes, I really want Catch to get it.
I know Jess is there...
Shaking her head and her fist yelling about what could have been….
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by Holly C. Tanneyhill on Sep 11, 2011 8:21 PM EDT reply actions
Jia Perkins
With two quick baskets. I think the Silver Stars mighta gotten an earful or something. Playing a lil harder right now…
Nate, did you notice
Lizzie C has had two should-have-been assists.
No
…she can do nothing right. She’s terrible. I don’t know why anyone passes her the ball to begin with ;)
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They shouldn't
She should be cut. Surprised she wasn’t before the trade deadline #sarcasm
by Jessica Lantz on Sep 11, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a serious question
Do you think certain coaches, fans & media are so down on Lizzie because she wasn’t a US college player? Because I truly find the hostility inexplicable.
I've started crying
Even sarcastically. I chokes on the bitter.
Jessica:
Does it annoy you that an OU player has stolen “beep beep” from an OSU player?
This has to rank among the biggest atrocities in OSU women’s basketball history. ;)
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I do NOT
acknowledge people who call that OTHER girl beep beep. They know not what they do.
by Jessica Lantz on Sep 11, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
DRob is so much faster than a roadrunner, anyway.
It just doesn’t make an sense to slow her down to Beep Beep. ;)
by Shannon Cotterell on Sep 12, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
re: Jessica's comment below
I think Swoopes might have just gotten sick of that crap. :)
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Sheryl trying to go ham
Um. There was 7 seconds. That was unwise. Even though Swoopes did have 9 points in the 3rd quarter…
yes
but pretty much no one else scored – so was it good for the team
by Almost there on Sep 11, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
thats harsh
how many does appel have? riley? oh and it was a pump fake
by Almost there on Sep 11, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Riley and Appel
Are perhaps the worst post combination in the league. I was left uninspired by both. I still chuckle to myself when I think of Jayne being an All-Star. In what country?
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by Holly C. Tanneyhill on Sep 11, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Terrible combo on the court, yes.
And really, with Adams on the floor, SASS is gonna have to figure out their post personnel. Even if their rebounding is improving, it’s inexcusably bad.
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liz can
only play who they put on the floor
by Almost there on Sep 11, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think she's bad at D.
It’s just not (yet) a strength. She gets beat a lot in space.
I’m sure she’ll improve.
Both Riley and Appel are solid position defenders actually… Cambage is a) young and b) has to adjust.
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Tulsa 71, SASS 67 - end of the 3rd qaurter
Swoopes leads the Shock with 18 points, T Jack with 15, Lizzie with 12, Holt with and Andrea with 9… I wonder how many games they’ve had more than 4 double-digit scorers…
The the Silver Stars, it’s still all D Rob – 24 points on 10-of-12 shooting, 5 assists. Oh. And Jia has 13….
Moving this question up
Do you think certain coaches, fans & media are so down on Lizzie because she wasn’t a US college player? Because I truly find the hostility inexplicable.
I'll put my answer here for the sake of continuity: yes.
Do you notice how much people refer to the college game?
I think some women’s bball fans use college rep – and I’m not even talking ability – as a proxy for pro potential instead of evaluating what a player can actually do at this level.
It’s a major pet peeve of mine, actually.
But the numbers listen to me. They know the truth.
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It's particularly weird
For those of us who know nothing about the college game & only follow pro & international ball.
I don’t get though why it makes them denigrate her even as she’s playing well. She’s had a really good rookie year (especially given limited minutes) & they talk about her as if she was a huge flop. It’s nuts!
I also think that
they will pay when the olympics rolls around Liz will be more than motivated. The discussion about international ball not being physical is also interesting. Liz has gone to the more than most in the league. Why? because she can play. Every coach knows you need to double team her to stop her. In most games she has been double and triple teamed and still got it done. The only person to stop her so far is Edwards.
by Almost there on Sep 11, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think a lot of that is just ignorance
The same people are down on Maya Moore for not leading the Lynx in every statistical category. Basically, the #1 and #2 picks are supposed to come in and be the saviors of their teams.
The difference is that American sportswriters are at least familiar with Maya. They don’t have 4 years of getting to know Lizzie. So while Maya gets some “don’t worry, she’s a rookie” reprieve, Lizzie it’s more like people were thinking “Wait, we heard she was a pro already, so what’s going on here? Shouldn’t she have been able to carry Tulsa?”
Also, who is actually watching Tulsa? As I’ve noticed on Twitter, it seems like the people who were supposed to be covering the Tulsa games sometimes aren’t even at the games (and I don’t mean Jessica).
by Shannon Cotterell on Sep 12, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha!
Actually, y’all might find this interesting… a Tulsa reporter asked what he called a ‘loaded question’ to Liz – how she would grade herself on her rookie season. She gave herself an “A”. The reporter seemed to … disagree. Press row had a little convo abt it…I heard C- floated around for their grade for Lizzie on the year. (High expectations much?). So now I pose a question – how would YOU – people who actually watch/follow the game/league – grade Lizzie on this season?
by Jessica Lantz on Sep 12, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That question might actually be worthy of a separate post, since we don't know who all will come back to this one.
I think she did pretty damn well for someone who’s basically a sophomore in college. I think if you gave me the option of Brittney Griner (same age) or Cambage as a pro right now, I’m taking Lizzie. We’ll see in a couple of years if I’m right about that.
Per 40 mins, she leads all rookies in scoring and rebounding, with 23.1 ppg and 9.5 rpg. That crushes Maya Moore into the ground (who is #2 in both categories, per 40).
If you make it all players per 40 mins, not just rookies, Lizzie is 4th in ppg and 18th in rpg.
Is per 40 mins the best evaluator? No, but in Lizzie’s case it was worth a look since for some reason she wasn’t allowed off the bench…even though she was clearly productive in her time off it.
She can clearly put the ball in the net when she gets it (not her fault people can’t hit a 6’8" target with a pass), but she needs to work on rebounding and shot-blocking (she’s 15th in the league, per 40, in blocks) to take full advantage of her height.
I think her biggest issue now is coaching. That’s not her fault. She gets bonus points from me for not completely losing her mind this season.
So do I agree with her A? Eh, maybe I’d give her a B, only because I think there were a few things within her power to do better when she was out on the floor. But it’s worth noting that any rookies I’d consider giving an A to had the benefit of veteran leadership from other players and excellent coaching.
Um, actually, I mean I would give Lizzie an F. She’s terrible. And um…the Shock should trade her to the Lynx for Amber Harris as soon as possible and just get her out of Tulsa because she’s never going to get any better. Right, that’s it. :P
by Shannon Cotterell on Sep 12, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I am posting an All-Rookie thing tomorrow....
I’ll use Jessica’s question: “how would YOU grade Liz Cambage on this season?”
Or someone else can write something separate…
But I agree that it’s worthy of an entire post in any event.
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Yes I do
If she had played college – she would still be there for a start. Also it is strange that she is just 20 and doing what she is doing well but no one acknowledges the good that she is doing. She is a personality and the league need some positive role models who love the game and playing. There is also this strange idea that Liz is soft. What she has put up with Tulsa as a 19/20 year old is truly fantastic and a tribute to her competitive nature. Otherwise she would have gone home! I dont think that Edwards and her unnecessary comments have helped Liz either. Boy I am sure she would tell some stories about Edwards ability as a coach!
by Almost there on Sep 11, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Certain places online
Where folks talk about the WNBA. twitter. Places like that. And also in every interview the Tulsa coach has given.
you are so right
Edwards has also had a crack at KP and really its just ordinary behavior and tells me lots about Edwards as a person and a coach
by Almost there on Sep 11, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I will say this in defense of the coach...
We don’t know what goes on in practice or how fast she’s catching onto their system, whatever that has been at various points.
That said, when you draft a player this young, you have to expect growing pains and it seems like their plan for developing her was never really fleshed out.
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To clarify -
You know what’s happening in practice or how fast Cambage is catching on?
My bad on poor phrasing.
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Then I will not attribute my lacking knowledge of what goes on to you :)
But now you’ve got me (and Justine) curious. :)
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if only you knew
and if only i could tell
by Almost there on Sep 11, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
That's all true, Nate
We don’t know what goes on. But i’ve seen her steadily improve under Aussie coaches & develop a rep for being a hard worker who responds well to coaching. So it’s knida hard to reconcile.
Oh I agree.
They need someone in there who understands development.
Richardson was (admirably) trying to learn the women’s game…Edwards is trying to learn WNBA coaching.
When you have a talent like Cambage, you have to invest fully.
Twitter: @NateP_SBN.
She seems ton have zero patience for rookies
First year in a new league takes a lot of adjustment.
I'm fully on the Julie Plank for Tulsa coach bandwagon
Give the coach time, give her full support, and I think she’s demonstrated that she can get this thing going in the right direction.
For me, that’s no slight to Edwards – it’s just a matter of getting someone with a track record of WNBA coaching success who can continue growing as a pro coach with the team.
Twitter: @NateP_SBN.
Problem with Plank is that
she turned down a coach/GM position. What is Tulsa is looking for Tulsa/GM like most of these teams these days?
did she I thought she wanted too much money?
by Almost there on Sep 11, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
What I remember is
GM Angela Taylor could not come to terms with the Mystics for a new contract. They likely offered her a pay cut or no raise or very small raise. But that is how it was put – they negotiated a new contract and they couldn’t come to terms. Then they offered Julie Plank the coach and GM job. All I remember is that Plank refused. I don’t know if she would have done it if the money was more.
There was a tremendous amount of negativity towards Richardson.
When the Shock continued losing after he was gone, the negativity had to go somewhere, either onto Edwards or some of the players.
well it doesnt make
any sense to blame the rookies? although it seems hard for people to want to understand that Edwards cant coach? so it must be someone elses fault.
by Almost there on Sep 11, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was interesting the time Edwards picked on Jessica for asking about the rookies
…basically saying the rookies hadn’t done anything yet.
I guess it’s good I’m not a journalist, because It would have been hard for me to not say, “Yeah, well, neither have you as a coach, Edwards, so why do you think anyone want to talk to you or cares what you think?”
A lightbulb needs to go on there somewhere.
by Shannon Cotterell on Sep 12, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, Edwards doesn't think much of rookies in general, apparently.
…judging by the way she called DRob “the little rookie” in interviews last night.
Yeah, a little rookie that just burned your team for 36 points. Maybe you should have some respect.
by Shannon Cotterell on Sep 12, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
RAINING THREES!!
First Andrea, then Jia, then Andrea again! Timeout Silver Stars with Tulsa up 81-76; 5:46 – 3rd quarter
Jayne Appel was a water polo player and wanted to
do both at Stanford. But meanie Van Derveer wouldn’t let her.
It's more like the seasons totally overlap, so there's no point.
Look at the schedule: http://www.gostanford.com/sports/w-wpolo/sched/stan-w-wpolo-sched.html
Jayne would have gotten, what, one month of water polo after basketball season was over? It just doesn’t make sense. She had to pick one or the other.
by Shannon Cotterell on Sep 12, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just going to ask.
(This interface has been a bit wobbly for me tonight.)
One other
was in LA last season. But that’s it…
by Jessica Lantz on Sep 11, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Tulsa 90, SASS 90 - end of regulation
D Rob has 33 on 13-of-16 shooting (what?!?!), Jia Perkins with 19 for the Silver Stars.
For the Shock both BEEP BEEP (that’s Andrea, y’all) and Swoopes have 20…
Letting that game slip away was significant.
A win would have kept the Shock from having the worst record in WNBA history.
If they bring Edwards back,
with her going 2 and 21 this year, I think she will be really under the gun to do well or she will be another mid-season fire.
That was an awfully anticlimatic
Overtime period. Frack. 102-94, D Rob with 36 and tons of Sooner fans sticking around to chat with her. Ew.
I'm so sorry, Tulsa
Though I’m pleased by Lizzie’s line 16 pts, 4 bounds, 2blocks, 0 tos.
Congrats, NY Liberty West!
Who's watching the Seattle game?
On my tv it looks like it was shot in 1973.
End 1: Storm up 24-12
For those of you that didn’t see it, the stats suggest the turnover margin was the difference:
Sea: 0
Chi: 5 (33.33%)
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I think that's part of the "Go Green" promotion this year...
no?
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by Nate Parham on Sep 11, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah they're a weird color.
Also, if you see a lot of yellow in the stands, it’s because the current Storm Crazies shirt is yellow.
by Shannon Cotterell on Sep 12, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
A tale of two seasons for Epiphanny Prince
The All-Star nod was well-deserved, but her performance after the break has been shockingly bad.
Yeah...it's somewhat flooring.
And it seems to be mostly decision making.
I can’t figure out if there’s something else that’s changed strategically..
Twitter: @NateP_SBN.
by Nate Parham on Sep 11, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Vandersloot hit a sharp decline, too
But at least the first half of the season is reason for optimism.
For anyone who was wondering about what I meant by DRob being like OU DRob again...
If you didn’t watch the game last night, check the highlights here:
http://www.wnba.com/games/20110911/SANTUL/gameinfo.html
Head thrown back, yelling, after making her shot at about the 1 min mark. Little swagger to the walk. That’s what Im talking about.
I haven’t seen a whole heck of a lot of her getting fired up this WNBA season after seeing her…well, fired up pretty much all the time at OU. I think she was trying to be serious business rookie, but I like the personality explosions way better. :D
by Shannon Cotterell on Sep 12, 2011 7:30 PM EDT reply actions
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