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The Prodigy Theory of Coaching

Bumped on 3/4/11 after thewiz06's comment below about men's NCAA D1 coaches time to championship - NP

Some of those coaches out there are getting old.  One problem with women's basketball at the college level is that there isn't much turnover - since many programs don't make money and since a head women's basketball coach makes less money than her men's college counterpart, there's less pressure for immediate results.  I'm sure all of us can name great coaches who have been coaching for over 20 years - and who have never won anything.

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It looks like Geno Auriemma is healthy enough to be around forever and that Pat Summitt will coach into her eighties out of sheer cussedness.  Even so, there was actually a "pre-Auriemma" era before 1985 which lasted until that fateful day that someone at Connecticut gave Geno a whistle and a clipboard and said "run this program".  If you had looked at Geno Auriemma back in 1985 would you have seen *anything* that would have told you that 10 years later he'd bring the Huskies their first women's championship and be putting down the foundation not merely for a successful program...but for a legendary one?

Part of the problem with projecting Auriemma into his present position from the standpoint of 1985 is trying to imagine him shoving the Linda Sharps and Marianne Staleys and Jody Conradts out of the way.  Like any new head coach, he faced competition from a set of old wildcats that had no intention of letting some newcomer shove his way into national championship contention.

But he did it.  And someday, Geno, someone's going to do it to you.  Some young man or woman - they might be holding that whistle and clipboard right now - is going to make a lot of happy fans shout "Geno who?" whenever your name is mentioned.  Someday, Geno, you'll be looking at someone else hoisting that championship trophy while you wonder why you can't win the big one anymore.

The only question is how long does it take for a great coach to start yielding dividends?  Geno didn't build his program up overnight, nor did Pat Summitt.  (Well, maybe Pat Summitt did but she was the only one.)  In Geno's case, it didn't take long at all.  Granted, he had the advantage of Debbie Ryan's and Jim Foster's tutelage, but in six years Auriemma already had Connecticut in his first Final Four - and unlike many other programs, he had no intention of being happy with just getting there.

I'm thinking of Iago's line in Othello: "...and not by old gradation, where each second stood heir to the first."  It might be comforting for a coach to think of winning a national championship as the capstone of a 20 or 30 year career in women's basketball, where finally it's your turn to win it all.  Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way in real life.  To be a great women's basketball coach is to be more like a prodigy, more a Cassio than an Iago.  Being a great basketball coach requires exceptional talent - you have to show that you're the best program out of a dozen serious contenders, and in many cases you have to build the program up from doormat status to contender level. 

This kind of talent is not the kind of talent that takes twenty years to percolate.  This kind of talent usually shows itself from the very first blowing of the whistle.  With great coaches, things happen and they happen *fast*.  Let's look at the individual coaches that have won NCAA women's basketball championships, and count the number of years from when they first started coaching a Division I women's program until the time they walked away with a championship.

1982:  Sonja Hogg:  started 1974, champion in 1982 with Louisiana Tech  (8)
          Leon Barmore:  started 1977, champion in 1982 with Louisiana Tech (5)
1983:  Linda K. Sharp:  started 1976, champion in 1983 with USC (7)
1985:  Marianne Staley:  started 1978, champion in 1985 with Old Dominion (7)
1986:  Jody Conradt:  started 1969, champion in 1986 with Texas (15*)
1987:  Pat Summitt:  started 1974, champion in 1987 with Tennessee (13)
1990:  Tara VanDerveer:  started 1978, champion in 1990 with Stanford (12)
1993:  Marsha Sharp:  started 1982, champion in 1993 with Texas Tech (13) 
1994:  Sylvia Hatchell:  started 1986, champion in 1994 with North Carolina (8**)
1995:  Geno Auriemma:  started 1985, champion in 1995 with Connecticut (10)
1999:  Carolyn Peck:  started 1997, champion in 1999 with Purdue (2)
2001:  Muffet McGraw:  started 1987, champion in 2001 with Notre Dame (14)
2005:  Kim Mulkey:  started 1996, champion in 2005 with Baylor (9***)
2006:  Brenda Frese:  started 1999, champion in 2006 with Maryland (7)

(*) We only count years since 1971-72, when the first AIAW National Championship took place.
(**) Hatchell also coached at Francis Marion before North Carolina, a non-Division I school.  Only her tenure as a Division I coach is counted.
(***) Mulkey's tenure as associate head coach at Louisiana Tech is counted.



Average time from first Division I head coaching job to championship
: 9 seasons (130 years/14 coaches, rounded)
Mean time from first Division I head coaching job to championship:  8 to 9 seasons



Some of the outliers are worth mentioning.  It could be argued that Carolyn Peck simply inherited Lin Dunn's groundwork and that she doesn't deserve much credit for Purdue's championship.  As for the first coaches on this list - like Jody Conradt and Pat Summitt - it could be argued that they are penalized for coaching parts of their career during a time when the championship system and format were essentially underdeveloped, and that they would have won sooner if women's basketball had been a better developed sport.

In the modern era, the outliers seem to be coaches like Marsha Sharp and Muffet McGraw, who didn't see national championships until their second decade of coaching.  Given our small data set, we develop the Prodigy Theory of Coaching.

Prodigy Theory of Coaching:  Coaches who have been head coaches at Division I women's basketball programs for over fifteen years and haven't won NCAA championships will never win an NCAA championship.

It could also be called the Logan's Run Theory of Coaching:  "When the red crystal in your palm starts flashing after fifteen years, it's time to report to Carousel." 

We shall now create a list of ten coaches that *might* win a Division I championship.  Creating the list has now been made easier:  we sort out everyone with a tenure of more than 15 years as a head coach in Division I who hasn't won a national championship.

Joanne P. McCallie?  Out.  (Head coach since 1992.)  Gary Blair?  Out.  Jim Foster?  Out. (Maybe out sooner than he thinks.) This 15-year filter turns out to be a very strong filter that might leave very few coaches standing. 

Sherri Coale - Oklahoma - 14 years (1997)
Sue Semrau - Florida State - 14 years (1997)
Suzy Merchant - Michigan State - 13 years (1998)
Sharon Versyp - Purdue - 11 years (2000)
Mike Carey - West Virginia - 10 years (2001)
Joanne Boyle - California - 9 years (2002)
Kevin McGuff - Xavier - 9 years (2002)
Rick Insell - Middle Tennessee State - 6 years (2005)
Jeff Walz - Louisville - 4 years (2007)
Tonya Cardoza - Temple - 3 years (2008)

I chose these ten coaches because these coaches belong to successful programs.  Some of these programs were built to their present level of success by those coaches; others inherited a program that a predecessor built to prominence.

Even so, the list doesn't fill one with confidence.  Coale and Walz have challenged for a national title but no one else has.  Xavier is a great mid-major but can it really challenge the likes of Connecticut or Tennessee?  Should Tonya Cardoza even be there at all?  The rest of the list doesn't strike me as listing coaches possessing some nascent ability that's ready to explode.

But then again, that's the nature of the beast.  If someone had created a list with Geno Auriemma on it in 1988 and said "this guy might be an elite head coach" who would have bought it?  Probably not many people.  Successful head coaches might start slow but they peak quickly.  Kevin McGuff or Jeff Walz might indeed be the next Geno Auriemma.  After all, hasn't Xavier's rise to prominence been meteoric? Walz seems to be doing something right at Louisville; who's to say that his program might not move up to even a higher level?

Elite head coaches can indeed be compared to explosives - they cause a great impact on their surroundings, they "blow up" quickly, and you usually don't know that they're there until the dust clears and everything around them is rendered a smoking ruin.  I'm sure that there are some who think that the idea of a Kevin McGuff or Jeff Walz winning a national championship is pretty funny.  Those coaches might indeed be duds, but if I were an enemy coach, I'd handle them very carefully - and at a safe distance.  Ask those coaches in 1985 who chuckled at UConn ever amounting to anything.

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Dawn Staley might be a good addition to the list, now in her 11th season as a D-I head coach. She seems more likely than several of those you mention.

McGuff isn’t going to win it all at Xavier. He’ll have to move up to a major conference before he can take the big prize.

As for Summitt growing Tennessee overnight, the Lady Vols had been fairly successful before she took over. They were 25-2 in 1973-74, Margaret Hutson’s last year as head coach.

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by pilight on Feb 23, 2011 8:06 PM EST reply actions  

Dawn Staley is at a program in a conference where the powers have pretty much been determined

and South Carolina isn’t one of them. Everything runs through Tennessee, then Vanderbilt, then UGA most years. Still too early in my opinion if Kentucky can be a perennial power in women’s basketball but Matthew Mitchell deserves huge props since everything goes through John Calipari in Lexington.

What about Jen Rizzotti? She’s been at Hartford every year since 1999 when she was just 25 years old and she’s gotten them to five NCAA berths. The knock on her is that she hasn’t coached a team past the 2nd round of the NCAA, but she’s at a mid major. Rizzotti’s still young by head coaching standards, and I wonder why she hasn’t gotten a serious ring for some major conference jobs.. I don’t see any point in her having to wait for Geno to retire or go to a men’s college team if she’s eyeing the UConn job, since he should be coaching for at least another 10-15 years.

by thewiz06 on Mar 1, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

This is really interesting stuff

My first thought is that I want to test this against the men’s game where there is pressure to get results (and FAR more media scrutiny when there aren’t sufficient results). I’d wonder how that affects avg. time to title in the men’s game…and thus your theorem.

Oh and Nikki Caldwell is arguably closer to a title this year than more than half of those you’ve listed…and less than 5 years in…

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by Nate Parham on Feb 23, 2011 8:43 PM EST reply actions  

Yup.

I just chose ten coaches that were in successful programs with less than 10 years tenure. Not much thought put into it. Nikki Caldwell – and as pilight mentioned, Dawn Staley – are doing quite well and are good examples.

As for the men’s game, it would interesting to do a study on that – but it ain’t going to be me what does it!

by James Bowman on Feb 23, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Shucks...

That whole power of suggestion thing didn’t work out well I guess… ;)

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by Nate Parham on Feb 24, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I can see...

We’d also have to see where these head coaches started his first job and where he was an assistant. I think that plays into that. Second, a prodigy can’t just be a head coach in his first few years, because most head coaches were assistants before, and some notable head coaches, like Bill Guthridge were assistants for a very long time until the man in charge left. In his case, it was Dean Smith.

by thewiz06 on Mar 1, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Women's teams do get scrutinized, and more now too

If a team is used to success, they expect it to continue. Plain and simple.

Pat Summitt would likely be pressured to retire if Tennessee can’t continue its run of success. As hard as it sounds, we’d see “Let Go of Geno” signs in Connecticut if they have a couple of truly mediocre (WNIT or worse) seasons in a row. Duke would fire Coach P if it happens. Even at programs that aren’t as good as these three, they still will fire the coach if things happen.

The only place I can think of where a perennial losing coach was fired way too late was at the Air Force Academy last year where the coach had 90 some wins in 10 years, and that can be attributed to the fact that the Air Force Academy plays in the Mountain West Conference, where the top programs are Top 25 teams most seasons, and also because service academies’ recruiting is hampered because almost no top 150 recruit wants to play at a college with a very structured lifestyle plus the five years of service after commissioning (not to be confused with enlisting). The other two D-I service academies, The US Military Academy and the US Naval Academy play in the Patriot League and their teams aren’t among the top of the league most years either, but they are at least competitive in their leagues more often than not…. I wouldn’t use Air Force as an example of a school that doesn’t care about its women’s sports, and that would be because of the reasons I mentioned above. But I guess my rambling is to say that women’s teams coaches are gonna be scrutinized and they will be on the clock to improve results on the court and hopefully for attendance too.

by thewiz06 on Mar 1, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

For men's college basketball between the 1981-82 and the 2009-10 seasons

22 different head coaches have won at least one title. And here’s the theory put again to the test.

Prodigy Theory of Coaching: Coaches who have been head coaches at Division I [men’s] basketball programs for over fifteen years and haven’t won NCAA championships will never win an NCAA championship.

Average time to achieve 1st national championship: on average, these coaches achieved their first national championship in their 15th season. This number includes Steve Fisher, who won his national championship at Michigan in 1989, but he was named head coach right before the NCAA tournament when his predecessor was fired. If you take Fisher out, a coach won a national championship in his 15.7th season. So the theory barely holds, if at all. In addition, five coaches won their first national title after their 20th season. They are:

1. Dean Smith won his first national title in 1982 with UNC, and it was his 21st season as a head coach. He went on to win the 1993 national championship as well. Perhaps John Wooden was partly to blame.

2. Jerry Tarkanian won the 1990 title with UNLV, and it was his 22nd season. Given that he was coaching a team that wasn’t in a sexy league, that could have played a part as to why it took him awhile. He did get his first final four in his 9th season coaching in 1977.

3. Jim Calhoun won his first national title in 1999 with Connecticut, in his 27th year as a head coach. Calhoun spent his first 14 years at Northeastern, a mid-major school where the Huskies enjoyed some NCAA dance berths, but that was as far as the program would go. At UConn, he had to turn around a regional power and what was then the school’s flagship sport that went through four consecutive losing seasons, turn it back to a regional power with some deep runs in the dance like in 1990 when they hit the Elite Eight, and the consistent NCAA runs made UConn the Top 10 national power it is now. So in short, no way Calhoun could’ve won a national title any earlier than 1990.

4. Gary Williams won his national title in 2002 with Maryland in his 24th season. He spent about three to four years each at American, Boston College, and Ohio State before returning to his alma mater, where he had to go through the aftermath of the Len Bias ordeal, plus rebounding a program that went through NCAA violations, and he turned their team around into a perennial Top 20 team in the late ’90’s through the early 2000’s. Maryland however is a traditional middle of the pack ACC team, and since the 2002 title, the program hasn’t been able to continue that same success, but nevertheless, Gary is a hell of a coach, especially in games. Hard to say if Gary could have won a title earlier.

5. Jim Boeheim won his national title in 2003 with Syracuse in his 27th season. He got them through I believe two other final four appearances before, but for whatever reason, his teams don’t perform as well in the dance as most of their fans would hope more often than not. He’s still a great coach, but he isn’t the coach I’d want for March Madness.

Other trends I saw:
1. The 22 coaches who won a men’s Division I basketball championship between 1982 and 2010 got to their first Final Four at an average of their 9.6th season, and their 10th season without Steve Fisher. The coaches who spent over 20 years before their first Final Four were Calhoun who got it in his 27th season in 1999 (the same year he won the national title), and Gary Williams who got it in his 23rd season in 2001.

2. Seven of the 22 coaches did not spend any years as assistant coaches at a Division I program as far as I can see on Wikipedia (Jim Valvano, John Thompson, Jr., Larry Brown, Jerry Tarkanian, Nolan Richardon, Lute Olson, and Jim Calhoun). Two only spent one year (Rollie Massimino and Mike Krzyzewski).

3. Only five coaches spent 10 or more years as a Division I assistant (Denny Crum, Steve Fisher, and Roy Williams all spent 10 years each; Tubby Smith spent 12 years; and Tom Izzo spent 16 years as an assistant coach). Basically, most of the coaches that win a national title haven’t spent too much time as an assistant. Those who did spent considerable time at a national power. Crum was at UCLA for awhile, Fisher was at Michigan for about 7 years I’d like to say, Roy Williams was at UNC for 10 years (before going to KU), and Izzo was at Michigan State as the top assistant for a number of years before he became the head coach.

by thewiz06 on Mar 3, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Men's Division I rising stars right now

1. Brad Stevens (Butler)
Age: 34
Years as an assistant: 7
Years as a head coach: 5
Notable coaching accomplishment: Butler was the 2010 National Runner Up and almost won the title at the buzzer too.

2. Jeff Capel (OU)
Age: 34
Years as an assistant: 2
Years as a head coach: 5
Notable coaching accomplishment: 2009 Elite Eight with OU but since then he’s been downhill

3. Matt Painter
Age: 40
Years as an assistant: 9
Years as a head coach: 7
Notable coaching accomplishment: Purdue has been a Top 10 team last two seasons, and they made the Sweet 16 last couple years

4. Sean Miller (Arizona)
Age: 42
Years as an assistant: 12
Years as a head coach: 7
Notable coaching accomplishment: Got Xavier to the Elite 8 in 2008. Arizona failed to make the dance last year but they’re back in form this season.

5. Thad Matta (Ohio State)
Age: 43
Years as an assistant: 6
Years as a head coach:11
Notable coaching accomplishment: Got Xavier to the Elite 8 in 2004 and they gave Duke a run for their money. Got a freshman dominated team at Ohio State to get to the championship game in 2007 and has made Ohio State a sexy destination for college recruits.

6. John Thompson, III (Georgetown)
Age: 44
Years as an assistant: 5
Years as a head coach: 11
Notable coaching accomplishment: Got Princeton to two NCAA berths in four years, got Georgetown to beat #1 Duke in 2006, 2007 Final Four

7. Tom Crean (Indiana)
Age: 44
Years as an assistant: 10
Years as a head coach: 12
Notable coaching accomplishment: Got Marquette to the Final Four in 2003. After that, he hasn’t really been that impressive. Indiana still sucks in his third season even though he’s gotten some talent going there…………….

8. Frank Martin (Kansas State)
Age: 44
Years as an assistant: 7
Years as a head coach: 5
Notable coaching accomplishment: Maintained and improved the reputation of the Kansas State basketball team after Huggins left to go home to WVU. 2010 Elite Eight appearance was the school’s first since 1988.

9. Steve Lavin (Saint John’s)
Age: 46
Years as an assistant: 8
Years as a head coach: 8
Notable coaching accomplishment: Got UCLA to an Elite Eight in his first year coaching, got the Bruins to five Sweet 16’s in six years; impressive turnaround at St. John’s in his first season after seven years of being out of coaching.

10. Bruce Pearl (Tennessee)
Age: 50
Years as an assistant: 14
Years as a head coach: 10 (he was a HC at a Div II school too, but that won’t count here)
Notable coaching accomplishment: Got UW-Milwaukee to two NCAA’s in four years, Sweet 16 appearance in 2005. Led Tennessee to the NCAA tournament every season from 2006 on to 2010 with three Sweet 16’s in that time frame, and got the Vols to their first Elite Eight ever last year. This year, the team may not make it to NCAA’s though, but I still think Pearl has the ability to lead this group to a championship.

I think any of these guys could get his current team to a championship with hard work and luck.

by thewiz06 on Mar 3, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

With men's coaching spending over 20 years before his first national championship

I forgot to add Lute Olson who won the 1997 national championship in his 24th season!!! It should be noted that he got the Wildcats to three Final Four appearances before the championship season, one of them with Iowa in 1980. I can’t really explain why he couldn’t get the championship earlier either, but like Boeheim, a number of his teams just didn’t go as far in the dance as much as desired.

by thewiz06 on Mar 3, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent research.

And excellent posts by thewiz06, which illustrate many of the differences between the men’s game than the women.

Comment 1 is a little unclear: “The names in men’s ball were much more notable than women’s during the same timeframe, so that’s possible.” What does notable mean in this context? (Not a criticism, I just don’t understand what #1 means and need some clarification.)

by James Bowman on Mar 4, 2011 8:36 PM EST reply actions  

Okay, I'll clarify here.

By notable, I’m saying this from the standpoint of the average college basketball fan because men’s coaches come to mind more quickly than women’s coaches. Maybe I could’ve worded this better.

From a basketball standpoint, I guess all I can do is describe.

1. We saw 19 schools win at least one men’s Division I championship and only two different schools managed to win in consecutive years for a total of two times (Duke in 1991 and 1992 and Florida in 2006 and 2007). In women’s basketball 13 schools won at least one championship, and we saw three schools win at least two championships in a row for a total of five times (Southern Cal in 1983-1984; Tennessee in 1996-1998; Connecticut in 2002-2004; Tennessee in 2007-2008; Connecticut in 2009-2010). Note that we had two times in women’s hoops where a team won three championships in a row. No men’s team has won a threepeat since UCLA during the Wooden era.

2. There were six schools that won at least two mens championships between 1982 and 2010. They are:

North Carolina (1982, 1993, 2005, 2009)
Kansas (1988, 2008)
Duke (1991, 1992, 2001, 2010)
Kentucky (1996, 1998)
Connecticut (1999, 2004)
Florida (2006, 2007)

Five women’s schools got at least two championships
Louisiana Tech (1982, 1988)
USC (1983, 1984)
Tennessee (1987, 1989, 1991, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2007, 2008)
Stanford (1990, 1992)
Connecticut (1995, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2009, 2010)

The number didn’t differ much here, among men’s and women’s teams winning two or more titles, but the two women’s programs that won the most championships, the UConn women and Tennessee won 7 and 8 championships respectively which is more than half of the women’s NCAA championships ever given, and that I think has created the impression that there isn’t much parity in women’s basketball over the past 15 years especially. With UConn especially, since 1995, every class (assuming the players play four consecutive years and no redshirt) except the class of 1999 and class of 2008 won at least one championship.
  
The two men’s programs winning the most championships, North Carolina and Duke respectively have won four each, but in North Carolina’s case, each of those titles were won with clearly different cores, and Duke won those four titles with three clearly different cores (the repeat group was won with many of the same players).

What is the same in men’s and women’s basketball is that the best programs of all time will win championships in clearly different eras. The two most dominant women’s programs ever, UConn and Tennessee have won championships in the 1990’s and 2000’s, and for Tennessee, they also won titles in the ’80’s. The two most dominant men’s programs of the past 30 years, UNC and Duke also have made Final Fours in the ’80’s, ’90’s, and 2000’s, with Carolina winning a title in each decade, and Duke winning its titles in the ’90’s and the 2000’s.

3. One thing I can speculate as to why there are more upsets in the NCAA men’s tournament, less periodic dynasties, and therefore more parity among men’s basketball teams is because of the NBA Draft. We are seeing more and more players going pro before they exhaust their eligibility. Things like this are what allowed seasoned veteran mid major teams like George Mason to get to the Final Four as an 11 seed in 2006, and a small elite liberal arts college like Davidson College to nearly do the same in 2008 as a 10 seed.

In women’s basketball, this rarely happens, only if a player wants to go to Europe. Therefore, we can see dynasties play out in the fashion that we do with the UConn era of dominance between the 1999-2000 and the 2003-2004 seasons and the three peat Tennessee had from 1995-1996 through 1997-1998.

To me, this may have been a very long analysis trying to say that more notable men’s coaches may mean more men’s coaches who got to touch the championship trophy….

by thewiz06 on Mar 4, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Another thing that we saw in women's basketball that men's basketball didn't have

was that some non-major conference teams were enjoying great success, most notably Louisiana Tech and Old Dominion. How did they do it in the ’80’s and the ’90’s? My hypothesis is because many schools in the major conferences treated women’s basketball like other olympic sports, but then saw an opportunity to cash in since they had more media dollars, etc, and therefore it became harder and harder for La Tech and ODU to continue being perennially ranked. ODU had almost 20 consecutive CAA tournament championships, but they didn’t make the Dance last two years.

by thewiz06 on Mar 4, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

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