Lunch Break Game Thread: Atlanta Dream (15-9) vs. Tulsa Shock (4-19)
by Jessica Lantz on Jul 27, 2010 12:30 PM EDT
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It's a game thread y'all - take a break from your busy Tuesday work schedule and sneak in some basketball. And comment about it please!
Who: The Atlanta Dream travels to Tulsa to take on the Shock
What: This marks the second meeting between these two, with the first being the Dream's day game - a 96-90 affair won by the home team.
When:12:30 p.m. cst
Where:BOK Center - Tulsa, OK; watch on: NBA TV || Cox TV (local) || LiveAccess
The Story:The glamorous story from Tulsa's perspective is now the team is truly a Tulsa team. There are no remaining players on the Shock that made the move from Detroit less than a year ago. The real story? These ladies need a win. And bad. Perhaps the screaming Camp Day kids can serve as human vuvuzelas and cheer the team to victory.
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WOW! Ton's o' purple here today!
With both Shalee Lehning and Nicole Ohlde being K State graduates, the Wildcat gear is very much represented in the stands today…
Funny thing is...
For all the talk about Riley as a draw, I never thought about K State…
How far a drive is that?
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by Nate Parham on Jul 27, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
according to Mapquest...
4 hours, 46 minutes – I never really thought of K State as much of a draw either, but by seeing the purple and all the Dream gear, I guess I was mistaken on that fact!
by Jessica Lantz on Jul 27, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Off-season trade for Lehning!
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No!
Unless we’re getting a good passer/smart PG/leader to replace her.
by just checkin on Jul 27, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Starting Lineups
For Atlanta:
G Shalee Lehning
G Iziane Castro Marques
F Sancho Lyttle
F Angel McCoughtry
F/C Erika de Souza
For Tulsa:
G Amber Holt
G Scholanda Robinson
G Kiesha Brown
G Ivory Latta
C Chante Black
Officials: Eric Brewton, Sule Blauch, Felicia Grinter
Another new lineup for the Shock!
This marks their 13th combo of players to start the game in 24 games. Wow!
by Jessica Lantz on Jul 27, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait...
Is Holt the 4?
Did Don Nelson make this lineup?
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Do we have to have a 4?
I think we mighta skipped that number today ;)
by Jessica Lantz on Jul 27, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Don Nelson says:
“Kelenna Azubuike, Corey Maggette, Matt Barnes, and Stephen Jackson all played great at the four! And J-Rich wasn’t too bad either!”
*sips on a flask containing unknown substance *
“We also made a mid-season trade that purged some links to a dismal past before we made our big playoff run – I’ll Believe if You Believe!”
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Coincidentally...
When Matt Barnes signs with the Lakers today… he’ll be the first NBA player to play for all 4 Cali teams…
Clearly, GSW was the best experience.
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Ummm….yeah. (and what was that about homerism? lol)
by Jessica Lantz on Jul 27, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Bonus with all the Camp Day kids...
They’re loud! And don’t mind using that annoying little kid yell for the duration of the game, no matter what’s happening… amiright? lol
Hmmm.. here's a question... perhaps appropriate for a poll:
Kids screaming or vuvuzelas?
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My vote would be...
…for vuvuzelas I think.
by Jessica Lantz on Jul 27, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Ashley Paris doing the color commentating today
…and the fans are after her early. Hollering from the stands, telling her they wanted her in Tulsa and they hope she comes here in the future. She’s pretty gracious about it to, smiles and nods. But leaver her alone folks, she’s here to work today!
Umm.. well...
If they believe she can rebound, their requests might be justified by a cost/benefit analysis….
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When she didn't make the Phoenix roster
I think that was a pretty ominous sign. I just don’t see why people are so high on her.
by just checkin on Jul 27, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s the Oklahoma connection, nothing to do with her basketball skills around here (at least that’s my humble opinion) :)
by Jessica Lantz on Jul 27, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
#HomerismLives
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From twitter, via @Sincere8822
Amber Holt and Angel McCoughtry will be teammates overseas this off-season…
This is about bragging rights.
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Scho time early!
Nice turnover she just forced. And a triple to start off the Shock scoring for the afternoon
And a nice drive to the basket...
GOTTA FINISH!
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If Chante Black could just hit her layups consistently...
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Definitely more defense this meeting...
…also more early turnovers (by both teams). Tulsa’s 4 mistakes have led to 7 points for Atlanta
by Jessica Lantz on Jul 27, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
This might sound weird...
But similar to the Seattle game, I like the execution…LOVE Robinson’s aggression going to the hole…
They just have to finish these shots within 5 ft…but a lot of encouraging signs right now
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Yep.
Shooting 37.5% doesn’t exactly bode well for putting points on the board, but the looks Tulsa is getting are very, very good ones…
by Jessica Lantz on Jul 27, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Richardson said after last game that he plans to use Ohlde + Black more...
It seems like this game would be a cadidate
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*candidate
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Haters will continue to hate...
I will continue to marvel at Jones in the open court…
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I'm sold
With all the heat she takes for “taking a roster spot”, I can think of at least one player from EVERY team that doesn’t belong in the league ahead of her.
by just checkin on Jul 27, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
4:22, 1st quarter; Tul 9, Atl 14
So far, 8 combined turnovers and both teams are shooting just about 40% (Tulsa 4-of-10, Atlanta 5-of-12)
LAYUP!
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I really like the intensity of the Shock today
Everyone working hard, both sides of the court. Just need a couple of those shots to fall…
And.
I really like Nicole Ohlde’s game. A lot. I think she’s a really good addition to this roster…a plesant surprise to me :)
1:14, 1st quarter; Tul 16, Atl 26
Even behind 10, I’m liking what I’m seeing for the most part. That’s an odd feeling to have…
Chante needs more development
Starting to regress…
End of 1st quarter; Tul 16, Atl 30
I know it sounds bad, but I’m enjoying this game. Ohle is Tulsa’s leading scorer and rebounder with 4 points and 2 boards and for Atlanta, it’s Izi with 8. Shock getting outrebounded 16 to 5. Oh my word crazy.
Just for Q - some numbers
In the first quarter:
Offensive rebound percent: Dream .700, Shock .182
Overall rebound percent: Dream .759, Shock .241
Even I know how ridiculous those numbers are. OUCH!
Can't win like that...
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Wow!
Tulsa’s still allergic to rebounding, I see.
by just checkin on Jul 27, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
What happend to Armintie?
Replay didn’t work.
by just checkin on Jul 27, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hard foul under the basket by Amber Holt
She is finally up, but moving VERY slow, looks rather confused and is limping off the court. If I hear more, I’ll let ya know…
by Jessica Lantz on Jul 27, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
after the timeout, she’s gonna take the free throws…actually kinda surprising to me….she’s wincing and going back to the bench now. Looks like she’s heading to the end of the bench to get some care…
by Jessica Lantz on Jul 27, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
What an age-appropriate song for Camp Day
“O.P.P.”—Naughty by Nature :p
lol
Sometimes I think they need better people vetting these music selections
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Absolutely
Some of these selections are just atrocious.
by just checkin on Jul 27, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Price update -
Was just told by Shock media relations that Armintie Price is “fine, but will just be coming out for a while”.
Wow... Crossley...
is en fuego…
Is she ever not?
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Yes.
Not as hot when games are close. LOL
But you’re right, today she’s 3-of-3 with 8 points in 7 minutes!
by Jessica Lantz on Jul 27, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you jinx her?
She missed her next shot. lol
by Jessica Lantz on Jul 27, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm...
I think they have bigger problems than any sort of jinx from me….
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Every time I see player with a mask...
I just am perplexed how you’d play like that. It can’t be comfortable at all.
Izi doesn't care!
As long as her arms are fine, she’s good.
by just checkin on Jul 27, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
you know you wrong…
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What happened to Lehning's free throw shooting this season?
That has to be the biggest drop of all-time.
Shoulder?
Maybe she doesn’t have her full range back just yet. I don’t know for sure, but it is perplexing.
by just checkin on Jul 27, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Amazingly...
Black rivals Lehnings 31% drop with a 27% drop of her own….
Hopefully the refs are aware and just avoid calling shooting fouls on either to spare us the pain…
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Halftime; Tul 34, Atl 59
Nice move, spin and basket by Latta to end the half… hey, just looking on the bright side folks…
Question for stat heads
Was Natasha Lacy’s turnover percentage higher than Latta’s is now?
No calculations, but I would guess so
Latta shoots so much more that I think it would be impossible for her to have a higher turnover percentage than Lacy.
That is the big difference...
So far in 7 games, Latta has shot 70 times…
Lacy shot 80 in 16 games…
It’s pretty easy to see Richardson’s logic…
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No...
For guards, I like pure point rating better…
Pure point rating: Used mostly for point guards, pure point rating can be used as a proxy for point guard quality by approximating the rate at which a player creates scoring opportunities for others. How well does a player create scoring opportunities per others? The formula describes the net value of scoring opportunities a player created for teammates per minute played. 100*((ast*2/3)-to)/mins (not pace adjusted). Read more >>>
As Hollinger points out, an aggressive ball handler will commit more turnovers in the course of trying to make plays…the question is essentially their effectiveness at creating plays vs. committing turnovers…
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For bigs though...
It’s a concern: for the most part, they’re not handling the ball as often (in terms of taking a lot of dribbles or setting up others) so a high tov% usually means they are really costing the team more…
Braxton had a high tov%…Ohlde much lower…
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Yes.
By about 5%…
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Or...
A human with a computer and access to the stats :)
End of season, I’ll put the regular season numbers up for people to use…just hard to update every week…
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Seconded.
Glad to know there are number happy people around :)
by Jessica Lantz on Jul 27, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Sign Volt to a contract!
In the halftime show, he did a dunk over five other mascots, makes backwards half-court shots more often than misses and when you add that padded head and those ears, I’m thinking he’d be hard to shoot around…
Rebounds...oy.
So perhaps I was just blinded by this fact and didn’t want to report it, but does everyone realize that Sancho Lyttle has the same number of rebounds as the Tulsa Shock in the first half – 9?
And one!
OK – so what’s the deal here? Tulsa is actually playing in the 3rd quarter, but not for the whole first half? Crazy!
I think Latta is an extreme example of what Lin Dunn has said about Briann January
Sometimes it just seems like she lets her exuberance get the best of her.
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And THAT'S how Shalee responds to Latta
by setting up her teammate streaking down the middle of the court.
Not hard to figure out who’s playing for the team that’s up 20 and who’s playing for the team down 20.
Don't incite Dream fans...
…especially those who are now clearly wrong about that debate. :)
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I used to be on their side
But the evidence points in the direction of the opposing view.
This kid gets it. She’s not the fastest, the strongest, or the flashiest, but that doesn’t mean she’s not effective. The offense suffers when she’s not running it. Doesn’t mean she’s the only one in the world who can run it, but she’s clearly the best option available to this team at this moment. Ivory just isn’t a good fit for a team that has great scoring weapons all over the floor.
To be fair, though, Shalee can’t do what Ivory has done, which is to bring a little excitement and some scoring punch to two hideously bad teams. That’s got to wear on a player, but Ivory manages.
by just checkin on Jul 27, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
"Ivory just isn’t a good fit for a team that has great scoring weapons all over the floor."
That was always my thinking at the time — it was an opportunity cost argument, moreso last year than the first year…
The first year, I just felt Lehning was a nice stabilizer for a team that seemed to be in a whirlwind at times.
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Shalee had Holdsclaw to take the pressure off her
Without Holdsclaw, both she and Angel have blossomed. One can see Lehning more as a playmaker than just a distributor.
by just checkin on Jul 27, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's one of the more interesting sub-stories of the season...
Good observation…
I hadn’t even picked up on that.
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I can tell you...
the crowd here at the BOK certainly appreciates Shalee’s game.
by Jessica Lantz on Jul 27, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Good to hear
And if other GMs thought the same way that Meadors does, the league might not have as pronounced a PG issue. This is certainly up for debate, but it seems like women’s basketball always tries to put the cart before the horse. Before a kid can be a scoring PG, she has to be a PG first. If you’re good enough, there will be opportunities to score outside of half-court ball domination.
by just checkin on Jul 27, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
So about Alison Lacey... :)
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Not going to even touch that one!
Divine intervention might have to help out here.
by just checkin on Jul 27, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
4:44, 3rd quarter; Tul 48, Atl 70
Well…Tulsa’s winning the third quarter right now. Hm. Other than that…. Izi has 17, Angel and Sancho with 11 each and Lyttle also already has a double-double (10 boards).
End of 3rd quarter; Tul 61, Atl 86
So they played ‘even’ in the third. I guess that could be considered an improvement for Tulsa…
Atlanta has 4 in double digits, led by Castro Marques with 23 points
For Tulsa, Latta is leading with 15, then Crossley with 13 and Ohlde with 10. Rebound gap is a bit closer (32-22), turnovers are wicked high for both (Atl 15, Tul 20)…
Minutes distribution....
Interesting that Ohlde has 25 minutes and Black just has 9 – at least to me…
Yes...
and I noticed that last game..
Worth asking about… because Black started the season as near all-star level…
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Closing the gap!
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I'd like to know what Richardson makes of this surge...
Even if it’s garbage time…
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Not like the Dream have garbage players in...
Perhaps it’s a momentum builder for Friday’s game against San Antonio?
by Jessica Lantz on Jul 27, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Ivory Latta
Has the Shock record for most points by a Tulsa player. She has 21. I can’t hardly believe that’s the record, but it is.
If Lehning could continue to become a better 3 pt shooter..
I think the questions about her as point guard would begin to disappear..
In fact, if she was a three point shooter…and a little taller…we’d have Lacey! ;)
(Totally baiting someone :) )
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LOL!!!
Lehning actually hits her threes this year. :p Lacey’s still ohfer, Q. Who knows? Maybe that changes tonight. Stay tuned…
by just checkin on Jul 27, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
THANK YOU!! :)
Have faith! Both of you! :)
Although, I’m actually anticipating a Lacey-less night tonight….I don’t think the Merc came up here to get steamrolled again…
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Man.. :/
In the NBA, teams have hired players like Patrick Ewing, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, etc to be big men coaches for various players…
Chante Black really needs one of those… I know the WNBA is cash-strapped… but I’m having a hard time thinking of a team that could use one more right now…
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She had terrible coaching in college
Didn’t hold her accountable for anything. I was surprised when she did show that marked improvement at the beginning of the season. It made me hopeful.
Oh well.
by just checkin on Jul 27, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
and then a swish
I just don’t get her dismal FT%. 36% coming into today and then that gem… gross.
by Jessica Lantz on Jul 27, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If nothing else, you love to see them still fighting...
Please tell them that they had at least 4 people on a game thread sticking with them today lol
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Got that right....still calling timeouts
That’s one thing I really like about Nolan, he coaches right to the end. Just wish the outcomes were better for these girls…
by Jessica Lantz on Jul 27, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Make that 5!
Jeez, 13 starting line-ups in 24 games. I think the Fox (they are no longer the Shock to me) did well to have an improved second half and end within 16 or whatever it was.
(Didn’t see the whole game; does Lehning still cross herself before she shoots a free throw? Used to drive BearBloke, a devout freethinker, absolutely wild with irritation when she did the cross thing last year.)
THEY'RE GONNA PICK UP SOMEONE ELSE???
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Cooler heads prevail
whew… lol
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