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How Good Is Maya Moore? She Makes Tanking Look Perfectly Honorable

Let me begin by saying that I hate the entire notion of tanking.

It's anti-competitive and I'm all for any sort of format in the NBA -- a play-in tournament or some sort of round robin group play (provided first rounds are also cut accordingly) -- to mitigate the incentive to tank in an 82 game season in which the Golden State Warriors some franchises perennially find their seasons over with by January.

However, watching Maya Moore this past Saturday almost makes tanking look honorable.

I'll put it to you the way someone put it to me earlier this year -- statistically, Jayne Appel, Tina Charles, and Kelsey Griffin were by far the best draft prospects this year. Appel is an All-Star (!!) still looking to find her rhythm in the pros, Charles is a fringe MVP candidate, and Griffin is a productive role player on a playoff contender. Statistically, Moore was a better prospect than all of them last season. In other words, statistically, she's an almost certain MVP candidate the moment she suits up for a WNBA team. Her performance in the Stars at the Sun game just proved that, as described by The Guru.

Womhoops Guru
Following Thursday night's pair of games prior to the two-day break, and with the regular season soon to hit the stretch drive, speculation of sorts can begin and the Maya Moore race suddenly has become very intriguing.

But exactly how good was she against WNBA competition?

Star-divide

Although Moore was the last player off the bench for USA Basketball, the key is that when she did get in she didn't look terribly out of place.

Lone college player Maya Moore blends right in with USA Basketball teammates - ESPN
Nerves weren't an issue, Moore said. But she was well aware of how many shots hadn't fallen.

When she finally did break through with 6 minutes, 31 seconds left in the third quarter with an up-and-under scoop shot -- the same go-to shot that has foiled countless college defenders in three years with the Huskies -- Moore let her age show just a little bit, giving a small pump of her fist.

"And it was kind of a tough shot," Moore joked. "I didn't want to blow a layup, either. That's the worst."

Moore settled in thereafter, finishing with 12 points, five assists and team highs in rebounds (eight, tying teammates Sylvia Fowles and Candice Dupree), steals (three, tying Angel McCoughtry) and turnovers (four) in 22 minutes.

To put those numbers in context, Moore was arguably the third most statistically productive player for USA Basketball behind Dupree and Fowles and the minutes were relatively evenly distributed. That should be said with caveats: first, Moore played the majority of her minutes in what could be considered garbage time. Second, her scoring efficiency wasn't that good despite finishing with a 60% two point percentage, which means she's a player that has the ability to finish against the best.

Those things aside, consider what Auriemma said about Moore after the game.

Lone college player Maya Moore blends right in with USA Basketball teammates - ESPN

Even though Moore hoisted a team-high 13 shots from the floor, her performance was a far cry from the jaw-dropping displays Connecticut fans are used to. More than anything, she just blended in with the rest of the team. Which, for Moore, might be even more rewarding.

"The great thing about our team is that you can't tell who the college kid is," Auriemma said. "If you line up all of our players and say pick the one in college, you can never figure it out. She blends right in, she plays like them, she handles herself like them. It was a great way for her to get started today."

Moore wasn't done either -- on Sunday, Moore played with USA Basketball against Australia and Dishin reports that she was similarly impressive then.

Looking at USA vs. Australia, at Mohegan Sun, 7/11/10 - Swish Appeal
Maya Moore can play with the big girls. Eight points, including on a terrific Harding-Charles-Moore backdoor play.

Think about that for a moment: Moore blends in with the best the WNBA has to offer. Maybe you can say that about Charles who is having an outstanding year. But even Stanford fans can admit that Jayne Appel, injuries aside, did not blend in (nor could it be said about Christian Laettner who played for the Dream Team in 1992). Yes, that was garbage time, but it was also garbage time against some of the best in the league. And keep in mind, Moore just completed her junior year -- she still has a year left of eligibility. That means another year for Auriemma to push her and whip her into shape.

There are times when hype over a collegian are overblown. This is not one of them. That might be partially because of the spotty coverage of women's basketball and partially because in men's basketball, talk of young players with upside tickles the imagination in ways that a four-year collegian just doesn't.

Yet here is a 21-year-old player that has yet to graduate college that is already worthy of consideration as one of the top 15-20 players in the world. As Scotter has written previously, she is already statistically the best player in UConn history, not ignoring the likes of Bird and Taurasi. Male basketball players that good would have left college two years ago and you'd see them on ESPN nightly. Moore really is that good. And if you're a GM whose hopes of a championship were already dwindling before the All-Star break, the prospect of obtaining a prospect like Moore has to be enticing. Although I hate saying it, one could very easily rationalize doing everything in one's power to obtain a player of this caliber.

Fans could probably stand to be even more excited about the prospect of Moore entering the WNBA.

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The first game Maya played in an UConn uniform was an

exhibition game against the US National Team. They were missing a few players, but there was still eventual members of the Olympic team and four Olympic veterans. Maya had 14 points and 9 rebounds in 24 minutes playing purely on instincts and hustle.

Maya may have a harder adjustment than Tina to the WNBA because she’ll be making the difficult transition from guarding the PF position to the SF position. She’s a great post defender even when undersized and tremendous in help defense, but defending WNBA perimeter scorers will take a little time. You could see all of those things in the All-Star game. One flaw that she already said after the All-Star game that she was committed to fixing. So there’s a decent chance she will have significantly addressed it by the end of the World Championships. If at least four NBA teams gave up multiple seasons for merely the chance of signing LeBron James, what’s wrong with a little tanking by comparison?

by Scotter on Jul 12, 2010 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

"If at least four NBA teams gave up multiple seasons for merely the chance of signing LeBron James, what’s wrong with a little tanking by comparison?"

That’s exactly my thinking…

I don’t necessarily agree or like it, but I understand….

As you said, she has enough experience against (and with for that matter) WNBA talent, that she can spend a year knowing exactly what she has to do to prepare herself for the next step. I’m not sure I can recall many athletes in any sport having quite such an extended opportunity to train for the pros against pros in live game situations….

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by Nate Parham on Jul 13, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

What's wrong with tanking?

Let’s ask the Houston Comets and Sacramento Monarchs, for starters. When your team doesn’t win, you don’t get fan support. When you don’t get fan support, the owner grows tired of having to take financial hits. When those owners get tired of taking financial hits, teams fold. So what’s wrong with tanking? It’s not a viable strategy in a league that is desperate for fan support. Once you turn off a few fans with piss poor play, you aren’t replacing them with new ones off a waiting list ala the Green Bay Packers.

Look, Maya Moore’s good. Damn good. But, like Holdsclaw, Taurasi, and Parker before her, she’s not going to singlehandedly carry a poor team to a championship. Therefore, it makes no sense for teams to tank just to land her unless she’s bringing Geno with her to LA or Tulsa. Those three aforementioned players have merely two rings between them, and they’ve all played with future HOFers. That should tell you something.

by just checkin on Jul 13, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well...for the sake of argument...

(…and bear in mind that I’m with you generally in your dislike of tanking…)

Taurasi is the only one on that list of superstar draftees that won the championships. Moore might arguably be the most pro-ready player Geno’s ever coached because of this national team experience.

Fit is of course an issue… but would I be willing to make trades and rebuild around Moore based upon what we know right now (and will know more of by March)? Probably… she still has another year…anything could happen in that time… which is why tanking in the WNBA is extra dangerous… but let’s be real: NBA types have tanked for far, far less in a much more difficult lottery to win.

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by Nate Parham on Jul 13, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

NBA teams can afford to tank

There are still millions of fans per team who would continue to watch even if a few thousand are turned off by the prospects of tanking. The WNBA simply cannot afford to turn off the few fans it has because there is no Packers-like waiting list to replace said fans. When you lose WNBA fans, those fans aren’t exactly being replaced at a high rate.

An underclassman playing on the senior national team is not a novelty. Parker did it in 2006 (graduated in 2008) after one collegiate season. Holdsclaw did it in 1998 after three collegiate seasons (like Moore). Zero WNBA championships between those two.

Yes, Taurasi has won championships on this level—after the acquisitions of Taylor and Pondexter. How many times did Phoenix make the playoffs when she was the lone alpha dog in the desert? Now keep in mind that Taurasi didn’t exactly play with another NPOY candidate or a Lieberman award winner her final two seasons at UConn while Moore played three seasons with Tina Charles (NPOY) and two seasons with Renee Montgomery (Lieberman award in 2009). So why am I to believe that Moore, who will have to change positions in the WNBA, is capable of doing something in the pros that (1) she’s yet to do in college and (2) Taurasi (given her experience) couldn’t do? Why am I to believe that tanking for her is worthwhile for the teams involved? If you’re not good enough to get into the playoffs in a year where 67% of the teams make the playoffs (and a couple of those teams could have losing records), then there’s something other than talent disparity working against your team, and “tanking” for Maya Moore isn’t going to cure that.

Nothing against Maya, but she’s not going to save a poorly-run franchise without having at least two other stars on the team with her. LA has one star who’s coming off a season-ending injury. Tulsa has zero. Neither has a coach who’s worth anything at this level. It won’t work.

by just checkin on Jul 13, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Why am I to believe that tanking for her is worthwhile for the teams involved?"

I suppose it would depend on how you define success. I think for every team in the league, aside from Tulsa, getting Moore means a playoff appearance next season and a legitimate chance of winning it all.

by RP_45 on Jul 13, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

She could put a few teams over the top in terms of playoffs

Namely New York, San Antonio, Chicago, and Minnesota (though all four of those teams have franchise players already), but I can’t see her doing anything to significantly help the dog messes in LA or Tulsa. Both teams are heavily mismanaged by coaches and GMs alike. Unless Geno comes with Maya, it will take more than Moore to get LA or Tulsa into the playoffs.

Of the teams she could land and make the most immediate impact, Chicago has to top the list.

by just checkin on Jul 13, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

"she’s not going to save a poorly-run franchise without having at least two other stars on the team with her"

I don’t think even the most rabid UConn fan would disagree with you on that…

But the point is that if you believe it takes a trio to win a championship (and I typically agree), wouldn’t Moore be a nice third of that trio if you have a long-term team building plan in place?

As for who Taurasi played with… those teams were quite good, awards or not. We could go back and forth comparing personnel (and for me, I would be relying heavily on stats for that) but I don’t think it would get us very far except to say both teams were exceptional.

On the Parker comparison, jury’s still out – pregnancy last year shortened her season. Then she’s out for the remainder of this season. I won’t say with any certainty that 1 full season closes the book on her worth as a player…

The biggest barrier, as Scotter has already noted, might be defense… and do you think she’s not painfully aware of that after playing a few games for Geno for the national team? and you think Geno won’t continue to remind her of that all year until she become a DPOY candidate? The fact that she has a year more to develop under Geno after playing with Geno is what makes this particularly interesting and somewhat unique…

One year turnarounds are just plain difficult in any sport… but a) who says GMs are rational actors ;) and b) if you were going to go all in on a player, I couldn’t be too mad for you going after Moore…

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by Nate Parham on Jul 13, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

"wouldn’t Moore be a nice third of that trio if you have a long-term team building plan in place?"

Of course. But in a league this unstable, can you afford to “tank” until you get that championship trio? Those fans aren’t going to wait forever. And yes, I do blame GMs that want to use tanking as a strategy, especially since there’s only one Maya Moore in the entire draft.

by just checkin on Jul 13, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

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